tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9124539381685751273.post1695278160258542223..comments2023-06-19T04:35:06.263-07:00Comments on Skeptic's Play: Experiments and Enneagramsmillerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05990852054891771988noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9124539381685751273.post-47755681671493778762013-12-09T10:50:56.812-08:002013-12-09T10:50:56.812-08:00Anonymous,
That seems kind of all over the map. ...Anonymous, <br /><br />That seems kind of all over the map. It would be hard to distinguish between the scenario where your enneagram is complicated by "wings", "integration", and "disintegration", and the scenario where enneagrams are bs.<br /><br />And despite the fact that "wings", "integration" and "disintegration" could explain nearly any combination of personality types, it nonetheless fails to match my results. My best match was a 5, but 8 was a terrible match, and 3 was an okay match. Most of the others I'm not sure if you would even consider them as good or bad matches.millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05990852054891771988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9124539381685751273.post-23045216436594330792013-12-09T06:11:09.447-08:002013-12-09T06:11:09.447-08:00Well, there are actually some good reasons why you...Well, there are actually some good reasons why you see yourself in other personality types as well. Your tests doesn't take into account some of the details of the enneagram. There are several important things to know. For one, each personality type tends towards one of its neighbours, so if you are a 7, you do have some tendency to the behavior of 8 or of 6. That's called the "wing" (if I translated that correctly). Another thing that is quite important is how content or stressed you feel. There are several levels that will cause your personality to fall back to certain patterns to compensate for problems, those are the lines you see in the diagram. It's called disintegration and integration. If you are feeling good, are content with your life and don't seem to have problems, you will take the good qualities of your integration type, for a 7 that is the 5. For a 1 it's the 7, etc etc. The disintegration is the opposite, if you feel bad, have a crisis, things like that, you will take the bad patterns of your disintegration type, for a 7 that is the 1. So there are quite some variations and the lines between the personalities are not hard but smooth. <br />I am myself not super convinced yet, but what I read so far makes very much sense and helped me to gain a few insights in how I work and also how my flatmate works.<br /><br />regards,<br /><br /> --MarenzAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9124539381685751273.post-46418959008967387052011-04-26T22:19:26.334-07:002011-04-26T22:19:26.334-07:00Of course, there is always a yardstick of normalit...Of course, there is always a yardstick of normality, whatever the context. In a visual sense, if you look at that enneagram diagram as points on a circle then 'the norm' is a very broad and fuzzy-bordered area in the centre. It is not about some zen-perfection in the exact middle, whatever that may mean, but a move away from being stuck in particular ways of being (which psychology also does to some extent too). The enneagram also seems to describe a concept of a healthy well-integrated personality within each of the types, so perhaps it is as much about the process of being self-reflective as it is about normality.<br />I don't really want to be caught up in the role of defending the enneagram, as I have no real stake in that. I have just found it useful for myself, even if my partner things it's a crock of s**t!Yazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08663641688425080063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9124539381685751273.post-76221841013535269832011-04-26T21:44:24.369-07:002011-04-26T21:44:24.369-07:00Quick question: How does the Enneagram tell you &q...Quick question: How does the Enneagram tell you "where you are most out of whack" without having some "yardstick of normality"?millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05990852054891771988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9124539381685751273.post-31061943644479565112011-04-26T16:44:43.702-07:002011-04-26T16:44:43.702-07:00I suppose my take on the Enneagram is if you can f...I suppose my take on the Enneagram is if you can find it a useful tool for understanding patterns of behaviour in yourself or others, great, if not then don't use it.<br />It shouldn't be about pinning down 'who you are' in an absolute fashion. I don't think any test could do that. Apparently you are supposed to have traits from all the enneagram types and work towards a sense of balance between them all, so any analysis of type is really about where you are most out of whack at this stage in your life. At least that's my take on it. Unlike the Myers-Briggs, which is essentially a static concept, the Enneagram aims for change and dynamism, and that is useful.<br />And given how even science tends to avoid the hard questions about emotion and personality, we have to look for any tools we can find. Even psychology/ psychiatry is usually just about setting up a yardstick of normality, and trying to push everyone towards that. And do you trust that yardstick? Hell, no!Yazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08663641688425080063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9124539381685751273.post-3596215504804585982010-01-24T16:38:16.535-08:002010-01-24T16:38:16.535-08:00I found your "experiment" while searchin...I found your "experiment" while searching for critical assessments of enneagrams. I, too, took the "short" test-- a couple of times. What I noticed about choosing answers was that, most often, neither answer was "true" for me. Both times I took the test I answered honestly; however, I found that I could answer "honestly" many different ways, depending on what self-image I had in mind while answering. When I answered as "the child of my family," I was a 5. When I answered as "independent adult," I was an 8.<br /><br />It seems to me that the "test" elicits only totally subjective opinion, not true personality traits. We therefore can only answer according to what we "think" we are, and what we have been conditioned to "think" we are.<br /><br />Who and what we really may be remains a mystery.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9124539381685751273.post-20835210260011084222009-08-14T00:53:42.545-07:002009-08-14T00:53:42.545-07:00It may be difficult to understand the point of per...It may be difficult to understand the point of personality tests but it is much easier to understand why people like personality tests and why they are conceived.<br />Thinking is consuming a lot of energy (calories! sure!). Energy saving is a very powerfull explanation tool. Every living system saves a maximum of energy. Personality tests are terrible oversimplifications (and religions too).Eduardhttp://baumannatmcnet.chnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9124539381685751273.post-89976033922666820372009-08-13T08:30:36.726-07:002009-08-13T08:30:36.726-07:00I've never really understood the point of pers...I've never really understood the point of personality tests. It's true that we don't always consciously recognize certain character traits in ourselves until they are pointed out, but still, for the most part I think I could give a more accurate description of myself than any preexisting list of traits. Why should I need an outside source to tell me what I am like?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com