tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9124539381685751273.post2623498054560292526..comments2023-06-19T04:35:06.263-07:00Comments on Skeptic's Play: Forecasting issues of racemillerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05990852054891771988noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9124539381685751273.post-59531117474796819142011-06-07T07:49:57.657-07:002011-06-07T07:49:57.657-07:00Hey. As an asexual who recently came out, and live...Hey. As an asexual who recently came out, and lives in Hong Kong, I thought I might just share my experience with my family. They very rarely talk about sexuality in general - or indeed anything to do with non-hetero-monogamous relationships. I had to purposely steer the conversation towards something related to sexuality (conveniently there was a newspaper article that briefly mentioned the fact that there was an LGBT group in Princeton). Even after I told them about my asexuality (though admittedly I never actually used the term 'asexual', just outright stated that I don't consider myself straight and that I'm not interested in sex) they just kind of ignored it, completely. It's been a week and the issue has just never been raised, at all. It's quite infuriating - it wasn't like they said anything like "oh, okay", they literally just sort of shrugged, avoided eye contact and never talked about it again. Before then my mother often alluded to me or my sister marrying and having kids, but she did respect me when I told her I had no intention of marrying. Given that I live in a fairly tolerant society, and the fact that my mother has a few openly gay friends, I don't think there's that big of a stigma against it anymore. On the other hand, you should've seen how my father's face scrunched up when he talked about a former colleague who entered a lesbian relationship!<br /><br />Hope that was helpful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9124539381685751273.post-24909156868713249162011-06-02T09:44:35.269-07:002011-06-02T09:44:35.269-07:00Yes, I am thinking of Asian American families, not...Yes, I am thinking of Asian American families, not that Asian families in Asia aren't also worth discussing. It was a conference in California after all.millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05990852054891771988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9124539381685751273.post-1893454796828002722011-06-02T07:39:31.755-07:002011-06-02T07:39:31.755-07:00I think this post is about Asian-American families...I think this post is about Asian-American families rather than Asian families in Asia, though I may be mis-interpreting.<br /><br />The discussion about heteronormative values reminds me of a second-hand story I learned recently. There was a white American woman who lived with her Taiwanese girlfriend and her girlfriend's family in Taiwan. When asked how the family felt about the lesbian relationship, she said that while it was not discussed, it was also not challenged, however she thought that the family acted the way it did because of a special circumstance; the Taiwanese girlfriend, due to a childhood accident, could never bear children. The white girlfriend thought that, because her Taiwanese girlfriend was never going to have biological kids no matter what, her family was indifferent as to whether she was sleeping with men or with women.<br /><br />-SKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9124539381685751273.post-657004479260721842011-05-18T14:09:46.971-07:002011-05-18T14:09:46.971-07:00Those are some pretty good concerns. I'm not ...Those are some pretty good concerns. I'm not really certain how much we can generalize about "Asian" families. But regardless of what the real trends and comparisons are, when you get a queer and Asian group together, this is the sort of thing they want to talk about. They want to talk about how their families have all these heteronormative expectations, and how they're so silent about sexuality. If we ever got a group of Asian asexuals, they might have similar concerns.millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05990852054891771988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9124539381685751273.post-14016172824893601982011-05-18T11:37:07.773-07:002011-05-18T11:37:07.773-07:00To clarify, my biggest concern is that the implici...To clarify, my biggest concern is that the implicit basis of comparison is affluent white non-evangelicals, who are considerably more gay-friendly than the general population. (Southeast) Asians, on average, almost certainly have much more heteronormative expectations than affluent white non-evangelicals, but calling that a fact about "Asians" is reversing the proper framing.<br /><br />I have no idea how Asians compare to the general population, especially if you control for class and region. I wouldn't control for religion since religion is one of the most segregated institutions in America.<br /><br />Plus add in generic concerns about confirmation bias, etc.drransomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9124539381685751273.post-18494922578970237372011-05-18T11:15:58.179-07:002011-05-18T11:15:58.179-07:00While I'm not sure I "disagree" per ...While I'm not sure I "disagree" per se, I wonder if you're painting with a bit of a broad brush when you talk about "Asian" families. Americans tend to treat "Asians" as a homogenous group, but Asia has a multitude of different cultures, even when you limit it to Southeast Asia/Pacific Islands, which is who Americans are realy talking about when we say "Asians." Presumably there's a huge spectrum of attitudes about sexuality there.<br /><br />Do you have data that support your thesis that Asian families in the U.S. treat sexuality as more private than non-Asian families do? Do they really have more heteronormative expectations than non-Asian families? (On average, in both cases.) That's the stereotype, but I worry about reliance on stereotypes.* They're definitely, on average, more homophobic than affluent white liberals (a very gay-friendly demographic group) but I doubt they could possibly have more heteronormaitve expectations than white evangelical Protestants.<br /><br />I tried using attitudes on same-sex marriage as a proxy, but the most recent survey data only distinguish whites and nonwhites, who support same-sex marriage at about the same rate. I couldn't find any data breaking it down further than that.<br /><br />I absolutely agree with your point about the presentation of queer identities as white though. Same goes for the presentation of Asian women as hypersexualized and Asian men as desexualized.drransomnoreply@blogger.com